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Rick Frueh

You would have thought by now Schuller would be a fossilized heretic, unworthy of even an argument. What is astounding is the fact that pragmatists and emergents alike are giving him credibility. I believe we have severly underestimated the impact methodology has on doctrine. The most orthodox and well intentioned preacher who extends the methodological parameters to unsafe levels runs the almost inevitable result of doctrinal compromise.

But to witness Schuller's return to prominence should stand as a startling sign of the evangelical morass that is well under way. To give him the benefit of the doubt would be unthinkable considering his well documented heresies, but to have him sponser conferences supported by people like Warren and emergents is profoundly sad and dsiturbing.

Douglas

Rick,

are these articles about what you are saying and doing true? >>>

Rick Frueh on "Jesus The Arminian Cry Baby" and Heartless Calvinists

Henry (Rick) Frueh Misrepresenting “The Responsibility of Man”

If they are true, and I believe they are, what right have you to critique anyone, let alone Robert Schuller, even though Schuller is wrong? I think what you are doing around the Internet is dangerous Rick and you are misleading many, causing naive ones to stumble, you need to seriously and humbly repent. You need to STOP misrepresenting the Reformed Faith. Please.

I have my own opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. I do not believe we can preach the gospel if we do not preach justification by faith without works; nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in His dispensation of grace; nor unless we exalt the electing unchangeable eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah; nor do I think we can preach the gospel unless we base it upon the special and particular redemption of His elect and chosen people which Christ wrought out upon the cross. ~ Charles Spurgeon (Autobiography: 1, The Early Years, p. 168)

Calvinism did not spring from Calvin. We believe that it sprang from the great Founder of all truth. ~ Charles Spurgeon (Sermons, Vol. 7, p. 298)

Rick Frueh

Douglas - obviously Spurgeon is your idol which is as dangerous as you have cited me about. According to Spurgeon, Wesley was a heretic. And to say one must be a Calvinist to accurately preach the gospel is beyond prideful and misrepresents the gospel, which again, is dangerous.

Larry - KY

I love Spurgeon and he did preach a decent Gospel now and then. But I don’t think I’d exactly quote Spurgeon as a pure representative of Calvin or Reformed since he takes the Gospel out of baptism (and by extension the sacraments) and makes it a work of man rather than a work of God, and a “means of doubt” rather than a “means of grace”. Like Luther said if we only baptize professing adults, baptism at length will loose its Gospel witness, which it does in any such situation. Too bad Spurgeon didn’t see his inherent man-centered inward curving witness in baptism like he did in his Word preaching.

Monergism seems to get a little wobbly and loose, again, after Luther.

L

El

Greetings. I saw you over on Phoenix Preacher, thought I would visit.

As for this video clip of Schuller: I am still trying to understand why a pastor would ask people who are lost in darkness and in bondage to sin what it is that they are looking for in a Shepherd (in a church) to lead them out of that darkness and bondage? Shouldn't the Shepherd know more than the sheep? Shouldn't the shepherd be the one to say, "This way! Come hither, follow me!"

Schuller undermines his own ability to lead by announcing that he sought advice from the very people who needed the leading.

I would suggest that whatever it is that the world is wanting, seeking, or desiring is the exact opposite of what I would use in and for my church plant.

We are to be "in the world, but not of it". If a professed pastor cannot get that one right, straight out of the chute, then he needs to head back to Sunday School classes, sitting next to little Tommy.

It is my understanding from an article I read, I think it was in Time Magazine, that Rick Warren did very much the same thing when starting his church, knocking on doors to see what it was the people wanted rather than presenting them with what Jesus offered.
---Shocking!

Mark Wales

Looks like they removed the articles you linked to. Can you fix them so that I can read the articles. Thanks!

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