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B. Becker

On what basis do you state that the the activities described in Acts 2:42 are "worship"? The new testament no where has any example or teaching of "corporate worship".

William Hicks

Christ said,"I and the Father are one."If this indeed is true, why in God's name have Christians for 2000 yrs been worshipping their Father. God is our Father. He(or Christ) wants respect-not worship. Who goes through life WORSHIPPING their father. "Abba", I love you as I loved my Daddy. I don't think you want me bowing before you in worship.
Also, I almost can hear God saying," What fools these mortals be" when they partake in the ritual of Communion. Jesus had a last meal w/ his disciples. The words about His body and blood attached to that ritual are not in our earliest sources of New Testament literature. He did not say it. It was added by scribes or whoever at least 200 yrs later to support the hideous doctrines that had evolved in Christianity.
Somehow through it all, God's grace has triumphed- in spite of these perversions and errors.
God bless!



Your logic about worhiping God is a bit puzzling. Are you saying that Christians are to only respect God, the Father, not worship him?

As for Christ's words, St. Paul's letter to the Church in Corthin in the earliest written text containing Christ's words. On what basis do you make your statement that scribes added these words centuries latter?

Andrew Gillett

I would add a couple things. First, I would argue that vs. 42 is really the key, and that this common English translation is actually incorrect, as did one of my Sem. Profs., Dr. Thomas Winger of St. Catherines Lutheran Seminary in St. Catherine's, Canada.

It could actually be the original liturgy of the church, and would read as follows:

They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship - that is, to the breaking of bread - and to prayer.

Thus, we have three parts of worship that are still found today - the Apostles' teaching (the Service of the Word), Holy Communion, and the Prayer of the Church.

Of course, there is evidence that "the prayers" that we are reading (as is demonstrated in the following chapter that leads to the incident at the Temple Gate Beautiful and the fall out) about the Jewish hours of prayer (that lead to the Monasterial Hours of Prayer).

Also, it could be argued - given the connection between the "fellowship" and "the breaking of bread" that we are seeing the first hint of the early unity of the "Agape Meal" and Holy Communion, as Paul speaks about it in 1 Cor. 11.

As to the comment on "worship" not being in the Bible, i think that is because the reader has made a dangerou disconnect - that prayer and worship aren't virtual synonyms. Like a lot of pop-American ideaology derived from the Reformed (Calvinists and Arminians) as well as Lutheran Piestism (Spener drew it out of the Reformed after time in Geneva), he has turned prayer (clearly stated in the NT) into a personal thing, while worship is a corporate thing - a very dangerous and un-Biblical division. In fact, prayer and worship are united throughout the OT in the Tabernacle/Temple Worshi and demonstrated by Christ's intercession in the NT as the true sacrifice and High Priest.

In fact, given the sheer amount of corporate prayer/worship in the OT and NT - including the Epistles and Gospels being intended for corporate use - I would challenge the individual Christian to prove a Scriptural basis for individual prayer/worship OUTSIDE the Corporate reality of Israel and the Church.

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